He was like Andrew. MORRISON: In July 2003, a year and eight months after their son's, murder, Andrew's friend, filmmaker Kurt Kuenne, who'd been making the, documentary film for Zachary about the father he'd never know, arrived in. She always spent time with him, and seemed to me like she was, MORRISON: Still grieving over the loss of their only son, David, and Kate Bagby had forsaken their lives in California and moved to, Newfoundland, not just to make sure justice was being served, but also to be, (Kate; David; Newfoundland; Supreme Court building; photo of Zachary), KATHERINE: There's this wonderful feeling, `I'm going to see part of Andrew. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. MORRISON: What thought or feeling did that give you? Mr. KURT KUENNE (Director): I decided to go on the road to interview people, because I thought, you know, he's never going to have a wedding. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. The show takes four couples who are having trouble in their relationship and separates them from one another. It was like they had gone back to what it might have been like when they first got married.. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. He was especially delighted to hear that David and Kate Bagby are once again hauling out boxes of Christmas decorations that went unused for so long. And he'd be like(turns. If. Time to stay civil with the woman who killed their child. It was deeply affecting and the saddest true crime story I have ever heard of. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. However, the intended audience of the film. She's also a market partner with the Monat brand, which sells hair care and wellness products. granddad? MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. That one comes back a lot. The murder-suicide was a huge news story in Canada. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Sorry, there was a problem loading this page. Cancel online anytime. They know they deal with their grief differently and they honor that. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr.. We. This is an amazing true story that waswell, not conveyed with the same fiery delivery seen in the film "Dear Zachary". Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Theyd fly back to Sunnyvale to hold a memorial service. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' If both parties dont recognize that, he says, then youve got trouble.. Cpl. MORRISON: When T.J. heard about Andrew's murder Mr. SHEARS: I just figure, `OK, well, he was in America. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. Kuenne said he's grateful that politicians championed a law that could save lives. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. For the second time, the Bagbys were left stunned at the leniency of the courts. Then, upon. KATE: And she went over in the corner crying, and I gave him back. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. . The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. Kurt Kuenne created the movie as a kind of big-screen scrapbook to immortalize Andrew Bagby, one of his best friends from childhood. This is tragically cut with one of Andrew's friends remembering that he was never latewhich is how he knew, when Andrew didn't arrive to his house as planned, that something was terribly wrong. Slain tot's grandparents welcome new bail law | CBC News Loaded. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. MORRISON: It was November 2001 when Dr. Andrew Bagby, 28 years old, was found in hospital scrubs lying facedown in the state park in Derry Township, Pennsylvania. He was such a good baby. Murder of Bagby: Shirley Jane Turner: First-degree murder ( died before standing trial) Zachary Andrew Turner (18 July 2002 - 18 August 2003) [2] : 78 was a boy from St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada, who was murdered by his mother, Shirley Jane Turner, in a murder-suicide. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. Audio CD. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. Temptation Island: What Happened To David & Kate After Season 2? I only live a block away.' I mean, she. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. The Bagbys were confident Turner would be returned to Pennsylvania for trial in a matter of weeks. He loved to laugh, Kate says. And if you haven't seen it, you need to. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. Theyll find her. The next thing a police constable is at the door., Two bodies have been found on the beach, the officer said. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. The new law enhances ongoing child welfare improvements that can be traced back to Zachary's death, he said in an interview. David Bagby says there were no thoughts of suicide at the news of Zacharys killing. For the first time in years, David Bagby and his wife Kate are decorating their home for Christmas. Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard . I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. KATE: On Sunday night I got out of bed and prayed because I thought Andrew was at risk. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? She would never go away. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. He said, `The psychotic bitch. I tried to console them, Snow says. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. David Bagby. Newfoundland MP Scott Andrews introduced the private member's bill to reform bail provisions. Kate was a nurse, recently arrived from England. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. They moved to Newfoundland to give the legal battle their full attention but Turner remained at large. Turner had not finished with the family yet. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Zachary thought he could just walk. The Bagbys offered each other a balance. "She was not the woman you wanted involved with your son. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. The book is not written as a narrative, with suspense building until we find out what eventually takes place. Not always. The workers notes say Turner spent most of the time talking about a planned interview with CBSs 48 Hours. The TV news magazine would give her a chance to tell her side of the story. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. It doesnt go away.. Hed walk a little and then, boom, hed fall down.. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I think about the Bagby family all the time. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Cpl. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. For David, of course, there is the book, but there is also the caldron of emotion that refuses to let him rest until hes sure hes done all he can to prevent others from going through what he and Kate have endured. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. They had tapped into their retirement accounts to get by. Andrew is dead. Kate to keep up their end of that bargain. and, despite her history of unstable behavior, stalking men who wanted to escape from her insanity and documented history of suicidal gestures when rejected by any of her numerous lovers Shirley Turner was allowed to retain primary physical and legal custody of her son that she was pregnant with when she murdered his father, Zachary. She was here.' I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. By Zacharys birthday in July 2003, Turners fight against extradition had suffered another blow. Shes Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale, she explains. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. One day he walked into the electronics shop where David worked. She. When I read true crime, I like to see more back story of the people involved. Justice Gail Welsh justified allowing Shirley to walk because there was "no evidence" of Shirley having mental dysfunctions that made her a danger to society. Even though I knew the outcome, the day the main incident occurs, I was still shocked when the pages finally reveal the events that lead up to that day. David Bagby speculates that this was Shirley's idea of victory: when Andrew and Zachary both rejected her, she punished them. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The couple are still coping with the murders of their son and grandson. David reacted with anger. Another guy and I said, `Sure. Very brave parents. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. MORRISON: Despite it all, the Bagbys were thrilled to be living, with Zachary. I didnt know Americans could quote Shakespeare.'. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. Andrew and Zachary's murders. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. Unidentified Man #25: I love them very much. Zachary, how's our baby today? anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. And I don't know, I just lay on top of her and we, MORRISON: T.J. opened the door to police, too, and heard the. Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. Then, in August 2003, Shirley Turner killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Cant imagine the pain the author went through writing this book. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. It was a joy and Zachary was much loved, Kate says. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. He rarely posts on his private Instagram, so there's very little information about what his life has looked like after the show. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Thus, the film largely revolves around Andrew's death and the impact it had on his friends and family. endure another round of grief when Turner has another psychotic episode and drowns herself in the ocean along with Zachary. The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. Woman #9: to make that journey was awful. MORRISON: But then things changed. One of the best books that I have ever read. I couldn't see the point anymore. MORRISON: So different from who Andrew really was, a kind, devoted son who made Eagle Scout at 15. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. He was beautiful and looked just like Andrew. Turner grew up in Canada, where she married and divorced two men and had three children who often lived with their fathers and other relatives. After all the backlash he received for his behavior, however, his decision to step away from the spotlight isn't surprising. How could they dither for months and months. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? Are you having a good day with grandmom and. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. Andrew Bagby was studying at Memorial University medical school in Newfoundland when he met Turner, a fellow medical student 12 years his senior. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. Laudable ambition, difficult to achieve. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. He'd been shot five times, including once in the back of the head, execution style. Book details an absolute tragedy in the Canadian justice system. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm not going to kid you, Doctor. He had returned to the US and had discovered a passion for family practice, where his love for people--and theirs for him--seemed as natural, as comfortable as the quiet town in Pennsylvania in which he'd chosen to live. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. ', MORRISON: But they'd have to wait almost a month. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). thoughts, his wife sees something that rocks her to the core. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. The public declaration all but removed the Bagbys doubts. Both reactions are legitimate, prompted by the same tragic loss, David says. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. Apparently it takes years to extradite criminals from Canada back to the USA, and despite being wanted for a vicious murder Dr. Turner was granted bail (unlike in the USA nobody had to put any actual money up to guarantee Turner's release, all she needed to gain her freedom was talk a few friends into signing paperwork, despite being wanted for a brutal murder!) He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Mr. BAGBY: The baby would be half Andrew, and that, for us, was sweet. In November 2001, the body of a young doctor named Andrew Bagby was discovered in . children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. A few weeks after, Zachary's birthday party, the Bagbys and Shirley took the toddler swimming, an, activity he usually enjoyed. But something kept me going, and. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. MORRISON: Coming up, a knock at the door, and then the news. In fact, Turner would travel frequently from Iowa to visit Andrew in Latrobe, something shed done the week before he was killed. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. Mr. SHEARS: It seemed like it to me, yeah. But did they manage to make it through the separation unscathed? I hate it. This book ends in heartbreaking tragedy. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. Shirley asked them to take custody of Zachary while she was gone. NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. The full hour will not be available online. And now it's just. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Meeting her at 6. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. For the Bagbys, there could be no better news than Turners imprisonment. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. (Driving through rainy street; correctional facility sign; Andrew; Kurt, Unidentified Woman #8: They would drive two hours to the jail. This year is different. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! Nurse and mother Kate Bagby was at work caring for patients the day she heard her son had been murdered. Shirley and Zachary, then 13 months old, had been staying with the couple. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. David Bagby has written such a poignant account of the sordid happenings and has brought both Andrew and Zachary alive on the pages. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. I think it was supposed to be just a brief college romance, says Kurt Kuenne, Andrews close friend since first grade at St. Andrews School in Saratoga. Neither speaks for the other. Hello. Mr. BAGBY: What are you going to say that will MORRISON: And find something she did, going so far as telling, them that they had some anger issues which needed to be addressed by a, (Photo of Shirley; photo of Kate and David), Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) There has been, I guess, a lot of, uncomfortable feeling on both our parts. Not too long ago? did. At least he might have asleep when she went in. The suicide, he says, confirmed what he never wanted to believe that his mother was a murderer. He'd been shot five times, including in the back of the head. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). At first, the Bagbys did not know whether to believe her. A man, who would not give police his name, called the Royal Newfoundland Constabulary to report that he had met Turner in a St. Johns bar and that he later had sex with her. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. They sometimes visited with Zachary and Turner as if nothing had happened. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' show takes four couples who are having trouble. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. Sitting with Kate and David in the sunny house where they raised their son, its almost as if they can see those days right in front of their eyes. See rank. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. What if she is backed in a. corner? Hes been murdered, Kate said to David. Why didn't the many people who witnessed Shirley Turner's disturbing behavior and intense wrath make an issue in the courts more of it? Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. That woman then escapes to Canada while evidence against her is gathering, and then she has his baby while the extradition process drags on. The couple left Canada and returned to California - but the tortuous memories followed. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Kate Bagby still cannot believe that murder has engulfed her life. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. The youngster's death followed the killing of his father, Andrew Bagby the couple's only child. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. The world is a better place because David and Kate are in it! don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. Highly recommended. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. Top subscription boxes right to your door, 1996-2023, Amazon.com, Inc. or its affiliates, Learn more how customers reviews work on Amazon. My gut just churned. But that is what the Bagbys. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. She was living with another nurse and her parents, who had also emigrated from England. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. you have anywhere to put that, or that Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Not yet. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. MORRISON: And then, in the spring of 1995, Andrew found someone, a Newfoundlander, also a doctor in training, a woman named Shirley Turner. Something went wrong, please try again later. It's great. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. And we, would have agreed to anything. Or it's in the car. But Andrew's murder was only the first in a string of tragic events. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. It is absolutely heartbreaking. One of the first to meet Zachary was, (Photo of Zachary Turner; wedding dance; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photo. They would go to Pennsylvania to . Mr. BAGBY: We fret and worried and everything. to let out hints that Shirley Turner was the prime suspect. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) This is Shirley Turner, yes. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. It was the result the couple had been waiting for. They raised a wonderful, Unidentified Man #26: Thanks for bringing such a wonderful person. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. I said, `Do not meet her in private.' MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? What he and his wife went through is truly disgusting. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. In November 2002, a year after Andrew's murder, the judge in Turner's extradition case finally threw out the queries raised by her lawyer and put Turner in jail, ruling there was enough evidence to warrant a trial. MORRISON: Must have seemed like the enemy was in the camp. MORRISON: Because Zachary liked you best? 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