[17] Joe Bergin, Sr. became a Texas Ranger in 1934, while serving concurrently as a school superintendent in Greenville, Texas. Mr. SAWYER - What was the gist of them? A puzzling aspect of Glazes 1989 letter was his reference to the book depository having moved to a location near the intersection of Royal Lane and Interstate 35. Mr. WILCOTT - The details approximately two years. In this area were numerous cardboard boxes, four feet square by five feet high. . Spaulding Jones, former branch manager of MacMillan, said they moved in around 1957 or 1958. New security officers appeared. Mr. WILCOTT - My wife and I both left the CIA because we became convinced that what CIA was doing couldn't be reconciled to basic principles of democracy or basic principles of humanism. Mr. WILCOTT - That was late '68 or perhaps early 1969. Those are discussions with people who gave the indication that there was every certainty that Oswald was an agent of CIA, runout of XXXXXXX Station, and that he was freed from Russia there in the final courses in Russia and was trained by CIA people at Atsugi. She said that no one by the name of Glaze was currently working for the newspaper, nor was that name among the files of past employees. Did you cover this ground? However, if you received this information two or three months after the assassination, at a time that Oswald was already dead and had been dead for two or three months, what purpose would have been served by checking records that were only 30 days old? Mr. WILCOTT - I can't remember the exact persons. [23], The man using the pay phone was Shelley, for in an affidavit made out that same afternoon, he said, "I went back into the building [from outside where he viewed the shooting of the president] and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened. Mr. Shelly was Lee Harvey Oswalds supervisor at the time of the assassination of President Kennedy. He had keen interests in history and weather, and much of his writing related to these. Mr. PREYER - He stated that as a fact and not that he believed it was drawn out for Oswald or it could have been or something like that? The owner of the establishment, rightwing oil man, D. H. Byrd would have had little problem approving that kind of clearance. Mr. DODD - And it includes the information that Oswald was an agent? James T. Tague was an unintended victim in the Kennedy assassination, hit by a stray bullet while stuck in traffic on the way to pick up a luncheon date. (Whereupon, a recess was taken while the members of the Committee went to the floor of the House for a vote.). Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you ever actually Xerox records being destroyed or changed? Mr. GOLDSMITH - How long were these records maintained? Mr. GOLDSMITH - With whom? And do you know for a fact that he was given Russian courses? Mr. WILCOTT - Very briefly it did, yes, in what was finally published. Mr. WILCOTT - No. men asked the employees point blank if they were members of the C.I.A. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you remember when specifically this conversation took place? But in the light of the information in this essay, it seems interesting that it was Shelly and Truly who took the name of Oswald to the police. From June of 1964 to about December of 1964, I was at Roseland. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were you ever able to find any indication in any of the XXXXXXX Station's records that Oswald was, in fact, a CIA agent? Also puzzling is the manner by which they asked new employees point-blank if they were members of the CIA. She & her husband left Dallas shortly afterward. Roy Truly, who started working for the book depository in 1934, took a part-time job at the North American Aviation plant in Arlington, Texas during the war years. All visits to the building must be strictly business-related. phone, and hang up, and I would get notes written in snow or my windshield and I had slips of paper left under my, windshield and this sort of thing. One of the aforementioned employees (whose name I cannot recall) stated that when she went to work for Bill Shelly at the school book depository in the early 1970s she was interviewed for the job by some type of government agents who asked if she had been recruited by the F.B.I. William Weston examines the curious letters of Elzie Glaze and considers potential connections between the CIA and the Texas School Book Depository. Did he say to you, "I think Oswald was a CIA agent," or did that first person say to you that he was a CIA agent? ASSASSINATION OF PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY . A huge cast of suspects. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I was on security duty, and on security duty, agents were coming in and out of the station, and I pulled a lot of security duty, three and four nights right in a row, and pulled as much as 24 hours on weekends, and an agent would come back from meeting with somebody and he would be waiting for his wife to pick him up or would be waiting for a call from one of the indigenous agents that he was running and a lot of times conversations would be talked. My next call was to the Alternative Information Network founded by Doug Kellner and Frank Morrow. Mr. WILCOTT - We had -- in Utica there was a group called the Vietnam Educational Council, which was informed people, formed to inform people as to what was going on in Vietnam, and we didn't feel that there was coverage enough in the media as to what was going on, and the purpose of the Vietnam Educational Council was to inform people as to what was going on. It was only my personal According to an FBI report dated November 22, 1963, warehouse manager Roy Truly said, The Texas School Book Depository has occupied the building at 411 Elm Street for only a few months. Then, as time Went on, I began to hear more things in that line. Mr. WILCOTT - I was afraid quite frankly. (Whereupon, a recess was taken while the members of I the Committee went to the floor of the House for a vote.) Mr. CORNWELL - Did they request that you leave? Mr. WILCOTT - None initially. I think we ought to state that the record shows that Mr. Sawyer is a member of the Kennedy Subcommitte Preyer. John P. Horton, XXXXXXXXX Section; XXXXXXXXXXXXX Branch; and Chester Ito, XXXXXXXXX Branch; and Kan Takai, XXXXX Branch; and Jim Delaney, China Branch; and Bob Rentner, SR Branch -- and there is some question about that, the branch he was with. Mr. CORNWELL - Why did you leave the CIA? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And for purposes of clarification, now, if Oswald was already dead at the time that you went to this book, why did you go back to examine the book? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - I flipped through it. Dorothy Ann Garner, former staff supervisor of Scott Foresman, thought the move occurred around 1960 or maybe a little later. Mr. CORNWELL - Do you remember anything about it? Mr. CORNWELL - In other words, that is, the first two letters or the last ones would have been the same as this? Mr. GOLDSMITH - And who made these references to Oswald being an agent of the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. The CIA then told him a story of how someone could be thrown out of a plane without a parachute and the CIA would protect them. Mr. CORNWELL - Did any event cause any disagreement between you and the Agency? Mr. WILCOTT - I have no idea, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Can you give the Committee the names of any persons who might corroborate your allegation? Why would men who had just shown their FBI identification badges suspect that new employees were concealing the fact that they too were connected to an intelligence agency? Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you learn the name of Oswald's Case Offficer at the CIA? Mr. WILCOTT - I think it must have been two or three omths (sic) after the assassination. Dorothy Ann Garner was a former office supervisor of Scott Foresman. Please publish modules in offcanvas position. * Assassination Archives and Research Center leads the fight in federal court for full JFK disclosure. They told me that I had passed both of those. Their apartment looked as if no one had ever lived in it. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, sir. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And how did that come to your attention: Mr. WILCOTT - Not directly, no, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - No; I think that I looked through my advance book -- and I had a book where the advances on projects were run, and I leafed through them, and I must have at least leafed through them to see if what he said was true. Mr. WILCOTT - I do. As you can well imagine, she was quite confused because the job was low-paying and involved minor duties. For details, please see the Terms & Conditions associated with these promotions. His tires were slashed and sugar was poured into his gas tank. Behind the building are five loading docks and an asphalt lot extensive enough to accommodate a number of trucks of any given size. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And when you testified earlier that you learned Oswald's cryptonym, by that do you mean that you learned both Oswald's personal cryptonym and his project cryptonym, or was it one of the two? about it & possibly do a story on it. That he continued to serve in a military, or semi-military, capacity at the same time he was working for a schoolbook company is indicated by his obituary, which said he was a veteran of World War II. William Weston began researching the assassination of President Kennedy in 1992, after making a comparison of Anthony Summers excellent book Conspiracy to a book defending the official version called Final Disclosure by David Belin. Mr. GOLDSMITH - At the time that this allegation first came to your attention, did you discuss it with anyone? Two weeks later when I made a follow-up call, Kellner said that his partner Frank Morrow vaguely remembered the letter, but could not provide any additional information. Mr. WILCOTT - It was a book that I had. Occupation of the building during the summer of 1963 could be a first step in a planning stage. The November 14, 1961 date came from Leon, Sexton branch manager in Dallas from 1961 to 1964. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did you bring that list with you today? One man had blonde or light-brown hair, wore a white shirt, and was armed with a rifle. Mr. WILCOTT - They never revealed that to me, sir, as far as their relations with Oswald. Glazes meetings with Shelley were therefore not at the Ambassador Row facility, as I originally believed, but rather they occurred at the building on Gemini Lane. Mr. SAWYER - When you refer to Oswald as an agent, you are referring to the extent you have -- as an agent as opposed to a paid informer, in effect? Mr. WILCOTT - We were married in 1954, sir. Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir; that was a smaller station. Mr. WILCOTT - The response was, among quote a few people "Oh, well, I am sure he was." He was traveling from his mothers house in Ohio to Georgia. that correct? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Were there any other times during your stay with the CIA at XXXXXXXXXX Station that you came across information that Oswald had been a CIA agent? Mr. WILCOTT - I was recruited from the school in Syracuse New York, where I was taking a course in accounting and busi- ness administration. Mr. PREYER - And you did mention the case officer who came in and told you that the money he had drawn out a few weeks earlier was drawn out for Oswald? This employee said that fellow employees were subjected to similar job interviews by government agents. The 1960 directory lists him as a department manager for the Texas School Book Depository, living in a house at 126 Tatum Avenue. Considering the far-reaching extent of control over so many occupations in American society, the CIA could very well have infiltrated the schoolbook depositories and their associated publishers. 1964, of course, the Vietnam war was going on and Lyndon Johnson was now president. According to former CIA finance officer James B. Wilcotts testimony before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), Lee Harvey Oswald was a regular employee, receiving a full-time salary for agent work, for doing CIA operational work.[1] A memorandum by Warren Commission general counsel J. Lee Rankin said that Oswalds CIA payroll number was 110669. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Did this Case Officer tell you what Oswald's cryptonym was? Since the CIA has the capability of engineering car crashes to look like accidents, Harriss name should be added to the list of mysterious deaths, along with Warren Commission witness Lee Bowers, who died when his car ran off the road and ran into a freeway abutment. Mr. SCHAAP - Do you mean, how many people who were in the CIA or how many people in the general population? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Prior to this time, the building was occupied by a wholesale grocery company engaged in supplying restaurants and institutions.[4] The wholesale grocery company was the John Sexton Company. Mr. WILCOTT - I was able to but I never did. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your personal knowledge, CIA records XXXXXXXXXX were destroyed? I must admit that my own fear of getting involved in the investigation has prevented me from writing you earlier. SILENCED! Mr. GOLDSMITH - What is the name of the book? Mr. GOLDSMITH - Mr. Wilcott, you indicated that after receiving this information concerning Oswald's cryptonym, you went back to check some files, is that correct? Mr. DODD - And she was aware of it from 1964 up until 1968 -- [6] Interviews of Joe Bergin, Jr. February 12 and 26, 1994 and August 7, 1999. It doesn't have every one. Mr. GOLDSMITH - Do you have that list with you? Mr. WILCOTT - Yes, I did. Shelley told Glaze that he himself was arrested for the assassination. Mr. GOLDSMITH - To your knowledge, would any records at CIA Headquarters document that Oswald was a CIA agent? You may have noticed that at the end of my letter to Alternative Views I carbon-copied to my will. It was intended as a jab at myself lest I get too full of myself rereading it 50 years from now. Mr. WILCOTT - Yes. Did you contact any CIA officer or employee with respect to the secrecy oath and discuss with them whether or not you should be permitted to discuss these matters outside of the Agency? Mr. WILCOTT - No, sir, I did not. Mr. CORNWELL - However, I take it from the fact that, as you describe it, it wasn't always applied, that occasionally you did learn something about the identities of the persons or projects that the cryptonyms referred to; is that correct? Mr. WILCOTT - That is right. Oversized boxes were also seen by Joe Bergin, Jr. when he visited his father at the 411 Elm Street building. Mr. GOLDSMITH - excuse me, just answer the question very generally, without referring to anything right now, and please describe generally what your responsibilities were as a finance officer. Mr. GOLDSMITH - And what did he tell you the cryptonym was? 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